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Minnesota's Budget Battle - No Dog In This Fight
Reason number 27 it sucks to be a conservative in Minnesota these days:

In their attempt to resolve Minnesota's budget deficit, the DFL finally agrees to some modest across-the-board cuts in state government - astonishingly including something they've previously treated as sacrosanct - education spending. DFL Senate spokesmen stated:

"If everyone shares in [the cuts], this is going to be much easier." ...

[DFL] Senate leaders acknowledged that the $973 million in proposed K-12 education cuts over a two-year period would be difficult but said education represented too large a share of the overall state budget to be exempted.

Wow! This has sure been a long time coming. I mean I never thought I'd see the day the DFL agreed to reduce government spending to such an extent. And I REALLY never thought they would consider including a reduction in education spending as part of it.

Let's go check in with Minnesota's Republicans to check on what's sure to be quick agreement on at least this much of the plan...

Republicans and education advocates decried the proposal...

[Teacher's union stooge] Dooher found an unlikely ally in Brian McClung, [Republican Governor] Pawlenty's spokesman, who had similar criticisms. "The DFL's proposal fails to set priorities by cutting everything equally, including some of the state's most important priorities: military and veterans programs, public safety, K-12 education, programs to crack down on sex offenders, and much more," said McClung.

*SIGH*

So now we're supposed to pretend that we agree with this notion that education spending can only ever go up? Its funding is now on the same level as basic public safety? Even though we've been the ones noting higher spending isn't correlating to higher student performance for a few decades now? We're supposed to join hands with the inflexible education shakedown artists (i.e. unions) and hold the line against cutting something that already accounts for forty percent of the state budget?

Yes, I realize Republicans disagree with the proposed Democrat budget for its higher taxes on Minnesota businesses as well, and I don't begrudge them holding that particular line. But to try to out-demagogue the DFL over education spending just at the moment they finally agree to be sensible about runaway spending in this area in defiance of the teacher's unions who normally dictate DFL education policy... I just can't pretend that even makes sense, let alone that I support the Republicans here.
Posted by Doug Williams on Friday March 13, 2009 at 10:46am
Brent Metzler (mail):
It would make me consider the DFL is setting the bait in some sort of Education Funding trap. It seems wise for the GOP not to bite in this case.
3.13.2009 10:59am
Doug (www):
You don't have to bite on the whole budget proposal to agree in principal that state education spending can be cut without being irresponsible. That is a major concession conservatives have been trying to get the DFL to make for decades. And when they finally make it Republicans try to punish them for it? Fight them on the tax increases, sure. Fight them on your version of the budget over theirs. But fight them over making cuts to the bloated education budget?
3.13.2009 11:04am
J. Ewing (mail):
There is principle, and then there are tactics. I think this is a DFL tactic. By saying we are going to cut K-12 education spending WITHOUT saying how to cut with the least effect on outcomes (not that the two are related in any way, but in the DFL and public's mind they are), they HAVE laid a trap for the GOP. If we agree, we're saying we want to "cut education" and it does not matter how. We SHOULD be saying "we can afford to cut education, and get better results doing it, here's how." Pawlenty has proposed actually increasing spending on K-12, a bit, but includes a few reforms with it. Not the best approach on principle or practicum, but politically fairly astute. It gives him room to "compromise" and essentially get everything we want-- his reform, but no DFL cuts and no GOP increase.

Seems to me you want to attack them on the tax hike piece first, though. I think we've managed to sell the idea that "trickle down misery" doesn't work.
3.13.2009 2:19pm
Doug (www):
It doesn't matter if this is a DFL tactic. The GOP need not agree upon the details of implementation to seize upon the principle that it is acceptable to cut state funding to education. That's not what they're doing. They're calling for an increase in education spending the one time the DFL has finally backed off that demand. Tell me the "tactic" for ever decreasing the state education budget if we're not willing to do it now - at a time of enormous budget deficits and DFL agreement.

Conservatives have been demanding more local control of schools - which state funding undermines in the first place. In the face of a huge budget deficit, conservatives should not be opposing "cutting everything equally," as we've been calling the state budget far too large for a long time. It's not an abandonment of tactical advantage to acknowledge your OWN principles and work forward from there.
3.13.2009 2:53pm
Patrick Lorch (mail) (www):
I agree with Doug...

I heard Sen. David Senjem respond as well...



Senjem also argued that cutting K-12 education was counterproductive. “I don’t think that’s philosophically wise,” he said.



When I heard this, I felt like I was in opposite world...
3.13.2009 3:38pm
Margaret (www):
I think this is a tactical move by the DFL and brilliantly played by Pogie. Of course he signaled all along that this was where he was going. The Republican response is disappointing. I can understand why they are saying the DFL proposal is a cop out. Do across the board cuts because you are too wussy to set priorities. I mean, they probably have enough votes to override any Pawlenty vetos. Why not set THEIR priorities? Because it would piss off their constituents, state workers and all the people that wept at the "listening tour" stops. By doing this, they can go back to all these groups and say, look, we cut EVERYBODY.

Problem is that by not setting priorities, all the stupid and ineffective programs get cut the same as public safety, education, old folks homes etc. The courts, for crying out loud which are a relatively small part of the state budget are already practically broke. This is a situation which screams for reform. Cutting everything across the board isn't reform. It's a punt at best at a time when the DFL has nearly all the power, they have no excuse.

The Republicans (at least so far) are getting played. I hope they can do better than "we need to spend more on education." Please, Education has had massive increases in the past few sessions. It's never enough.
3.13.2009 7:18pm
J. Ewing (mail):
"It doesn't matter if this is a DFL tactic. The GOP need not agree upon the details of implementation to seize upon the principle that it is acceptable to cut state funding to education."

There is no principle to "seize upon." The DFL doesn't have any principles, and they don't have any priorities in spending. They aren't admitting that education can be cut without affecting results, they're simply admitting (finally!) that you can't spend more money than you take in and have a balanced budget. They've responded to Pawlenty's carefully considered cuts and priorities with a cop-out about across-the board cuts and a massive tax increase. If Republicans accept this proposal, they're admitting that they don't care about education, because they're willing to cut it blindly, when "everybody knows" that educational results depend on ever more money being poured into it.

I don't think the education funding argument is going to get settled in this round of budget battling, we still haven't gotten the DFL to agree to setting the simplest of priorities, and they haven't given up on the idea of massive tax increases. That's where the battle needs to go, at this point. Make them respond to Pawlenty's budget specifics, without more taxes. They're losing the battle so far, and looking for the easy way out; time to tighten the grip.
3.13.2009 10:14pm
Doug (www):
"There is no principle to "seize upon." The DFL doesn't have any principles..."

Oh good lord. And they say the same about Republicans and nyah-nyah-nyah. It's all beside the point.

The point is that the Republicans didn't need to accept the whole budget proposal. All I expected them to do was NOT object to the notion that it is okay to cut education spending.

Why is that suddenly impossible for Republicans to agree with? If the DFL offers to cut back on diversity training, are we suddenly to stand up against cutting that too? After all... they might be trying to trick us.

I think the state government owns far too great a share of education spending. I think the education budget is bloated and is an excellent target if you need cuts to resolve the budget deficit. Suddenly I'm fighting the Republican party who tells me that's an irresponsible position.

Lordy. I'm more convinced than ever this is not my fight. Duke it out as you like.
3.13.2009 11:14pm
J. Ewing (mail):
"If everyone shares in [the cuts], this is going to be much easier." ...

This is the part I'm focused on. After two months of complaining about the Governor's budget, the only thing they offer is "easy"? This isn't admitting anything about what should be cut or how much. There are no reforms or priorities, just a simple across the board cut. There isn't anything to agree with, because this isn't a real proposal. It's an attempt by the DFL to dodge their responsibilities while blaming Republicans for everything.
3.14.2009 12:02am
Doug (www):
J. ... there is nothing I have written above (feel free to scroll up) that recommends Republicans accept the DFL budget as it is. My problem is... as I have been saying... Republicans are picking fights on particular grounds that tell me they're not on my side.

They attack the Dems not just for not "prioritizing," but for cutting education spending. They further call this kind of cut irresponsible. Oppose the DFL however you'd like, I cannot back a Republican Party who can't accept education cuts in this economic situation.

And, to take your point further, Why the heck do the Repubs have a DFL-copycat response regarding the Dems refusal to prioritize? I personally have been FINE with the idea that we freeze the budget as-is, and simply adjust for inflation. That would be an "across the board" remedy to balance the budget. Is THAT supposed to be somehow anti-Republican as well now?

I'm sorry, I am not about to attack "across the board" spending cuts in state government. I think the idea is great. I guess that makes me un-Republican.
3.14.2009 12:20am
J. Ewing (mail):
It is not for nothing that Republicans are called "the stupid party." We think our ideas are so superior (which they are) that every thinking person will agree with them. But we forget that most Democrats and far too many independents do not qualify as "thinking persons." We're great on policy and haven't a clue about politics, and we need to better our "game" in politics for our policies to succeed.

That's what bothers me here. The DFL has "admitted" only two things: 1) that they cannot raise taxes enough to cover the entire shortfall, and 2) that those EVIL Republicans are going to force them to CUT education for YOUR kid! They should be criticized for it, because that is exactly the game being played. Republicans finally get one right, and we want to criticize ourselves?

A freeze was a good idea three months ago, when nothing else was on the table. A "retroactive freeze," where the State would simply reuse the budget from the last year in which spending was below what it needs to be this year, would also be "easy." It was 2007! Now that Pawlenty's very specific proposal has been on the table for two months, though, those simplistic solutions should no longer be considered. Republican leadership is fighting this political battle-- and that is ALL it is at this point-- pretty well. The DFL will NOT engage the policy battle until the political battle is over. We have to win the latter to have a chance in the former.
3.14.2009 9:22am
Doug (www):
I got it J. Really I do. You're so caught up in the budget battle you can't even see the thing I'm talking about. I don't really need to hear from you trying to persuade me again until you find the ability to see my point. So far you're not showing any evidence you've made it that far.
3.14.2009 9:33pm
Margaret (www):
But Doug, it isn't just about cutting government expense for Republicans (or it shouldn't be). It's about limiting government period. Force the Democrats to define what are and aren't essential government services. (Then laugh at them by bringing up stupid and wasteful programs and demand that they defend cutting grandma and the kids in order to save them). The DFL did this to protect their own coalition which is large and fragile. The Republicans' opening move was ham handed. They should have focused on what they would have cut MORE rather than what they would cut less. That's just transparent pandering.
3.14.2009 11:23pm
J. Ewing (mail):
Thanks, Doug, for "getting it." I do see your point, but I think you are wrong that the DFL has admitted anything specific, particularly that they are willing to "cut education funding," or that it can be reduced without affecting educational outcomes.

I guess that, like you, I can be disappointed, and have been for a long time, that Republicans refuse to stand up to the educrats who demand more money to improve results, and then, when results don't improve, demand more money to improve results. Pawlenty's initial budget should have included a freeze on education spending instead of an increase, but from what I hear most of the increase is to drive reform in the form of Q-Comp. I know, that's not much "reform," if any, but it's a start. At any rate it's not a complete cave to Ed MN.

The DFL is still playing the game, trying to paint Republicans as the party that wants to "cut education funding," which means cutting educational results in the minds of most people. Until we get most folks convinced otherwise, it's political suicide and we shouldn't be taking the bait.
3.15.2009 2:25pm

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